17 April 2009

Pure Hatred

Can someone remind me how Jeanine Garafolo is famous? She's a "comedian"...she isn't funny. She was on Air that still on the air? She is an actress...what movie did she play a major lead in? Whatever she MUST read these words of hate that Keith Olbermann let her spew on his show last night.

JANEANE GAROFALO, ACTOR: Thank you. You know, there is nothing more interesting than seeing a bunch of racists become confused and angry at a speech they`re not quite certain what he thinks. It sounds right to them, and then it doesn`t make sense.
Let`s be very honest about what this is about. It`s not about bashing Democrats. It`s not about taxes. They have no idea what the Boston Tea party was about.
OLBERMANN: That`s right.
GAROFALO: They don`t know their history at all. This is about hating a black man in the White House. This is racism straight up. That is nothing but a bunch of tea bagging rednecks. And there is no way around that. And, you know, you can tell these type of right-wingers anything and they`ll believe it, except the truth. You tell them the truth and they become -- it`s like showing Frankenstein`s monster fire. They become confused, angry, highly volatile.
That guy caused in them feelings they don`t know because of their limbic brain -- we`ve discussed before, the limbic brain inside a right- winger or Republican or conservative or your average white power activist - - the limbic brain is much larger in their head space than in a reasonable person. And it is pushing against the frontal lobe. So their synapses are misfiring.
Is Bernie Goldberg listening? Bernie might not have heard this when I said this the first time. So, Bernie, this is for you. It is a neurological problem that we`re dealing with.
OLBERMANN: Well, what do you do about it, though? I mean, our friend in Pensacola there, who played them like a three dollar fiddle.
OLBERMANN: And led them right down the garden path with nothing but facts, and then they went, wait a minute, that doesn`t sound like Rush Limbaugh. If you can`t --
OLBERMANN: If you can`t get them to make that last leap to what are we all doing here, Howard Johnson is wrong.
OLBERMANN: How do you break through that?
GAROFALO: I don`t think you do, for most of them. This is a pathological -- it`s almost pathological or elevated to a philosophy or lifestyle. Again, this is about racism. It could be any issue, any port in a storm. These guys hate that a black guy is in the White House, but they -- they immigrant bash. They pretend taxes and tea bags -- like I said, most of them probably couldn`t tell you thing one about taxation without representation, the Boston Tea Party, British imperialism, whatever the history lesson has to be.
But these people always -- unless there`s some people with Stockholm Syndrome.
OLBERMANN: I didn`t see them. They were in the back. They weren`t near the cameras, which is bad strategy on the part of the people staging this at Fox.
GAROFALO: True. And Fox News loves to foment this anti- intellectualism. That is their bread and butter. If you have a cerebral electorate, Fox News goes down the toilet very, very fast. It is sick and sad to see Neil Cavuto doing this. They`re been doing this for years. That`s why Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch started this venture, is to disinform and to coarsen and dumb-down a certain segment of the electorate.
But what is really -- I didn`t know there were so many racists left. I didn`t know that. As I said, the Republican hype in the conservative movement has now crystallized into the white power movement.
OLBERMANN: Is that not a bad long-term strategy. Even though -- your point is terrifying there are that many racists left.
OLBERMANN: The flip side of it is there aren`t that many racists left.
GAROFALO: You`re the minority, literally tens of people showed up to this thing across the country.
OLBERMANN: But if you spear your television network or your political party towards a bunch of guys who are just looking for a reason to yell at the black president, eventually you will marginalize yourself out of market, won`t you?
GAROFALO: No. Here`s what the right-wing has -- there are no shortages of the natural resources of ignorance, apathy, hate sphere. As long as those things are in the collective conscious and unconscious, the Republicans will have some votes, and Fox News will have viewers. What else have they got. If they didn`t do that, who`s going to watch?
I mean, they have tackled that elusive clam -- I said clam -- you know, the clam demo, the 18 to 35 clam demo. Klan, with a K, demo. Who else is Fox talking? What is it, urban older white guys, and the girlfriend -- you know, the women who suffer from Stockholm Syndrome again. There`s a lot of Stockholm Syndrome, is what I`m saying, ultimately.
What else you got? What do you want to know?
OLBERMANN: What if somebody was at one of these things hurts somebody.
GAROFALO: That is an unfortunate byproduct, since the dawn of time, of a volatile group like this of the limbic brain. Violence, unfortunately, may or may not ensue. It depends on immigrant bashing and hating the black guy in the White House. Will people act on that? It`s not new. But, you know, Fox doesn`t mind fomenting it. Michelle Bachmann doesn`t mind fomenting it. Glenn Beck doesn`t mine fomenting it.
GAROFALO: Lou Dobbs. Oh, man. But what have they got if they don`t have this? You know what I mean? It`s like identity politics of the worst kind.
OLBERMANN: Peace in our time --
GAROFALO: Is Bernie still listening.
OLBERMANN: He doesn`t listen.
OLBERMANN: Bernie listens for about two minutes last week.
GAROFALO: He doesn`t watch your show?
OLBERMANN: No, no, no, no. I meant in general. That was his year`s contribution to the actual political --
GAROFALO: I can move up the rung from five to three.
OLBERMANN: Jeanine Garofalo, number five, comedian, actress, political activist, and the expert on the limbic brain, great thanks as always.
GAROFALO: Very much. Thank you.
OLBERMANN: My pleasure.
So we're upset cause Fox News has "tricked" the American people into reading and watching it day after day (unlike her radio program which TANKS in the ratings). Anyone who doesn't agree with Barack Obama's policies is a racist. My "wife" has stockholm syndrome? These words aren't even funny...they are just plain out of line. Why does Ms. Garafolo have such hatred toward conservatives? Doesn't she come from the party of love, choice and tolerance?

And why is Olbermann allowing this garbage to be on his show? He doesn't challenge one thought she has? At least O'Reilly sometimes yells at Rivera, Morris and others who are on "his side" if he thinks what they're saying is out of line. My heavens.

Remember how liberals used to say George Bush was such a divisive figure? Well Bush had the same approval ratings that Obama has is Obama really a uniter? Are we sure this divisiveness isn't because of the likes of Garafolo?


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Yeah I saw that last night, I have to agree, what she said was utter garbage. Doesn't mean I'm going to stop watching MSNBC and start watching Bill O'.


I'll grant that she gave a bit of a twisted little rant....I stand by my guns that a LOT of the people at these events were total loons, but she does take the harshness to a high level. Keep in mind she did it on Olbermann's show, whom even a lotta liberals think is rather trashy and annoying. The point she tries to make about it being racism is marginally factual. I'm quite sure that there were plenty of people getting in on the action for the sole reason they don't like a black president. We all know at least one person who feels that way. I'm from Texas and, unfortunately, there's a lot of folks down here who are narrow and/or small minded that way. I agree with you that she was throwing volleys with some undeserved trash though. Being down here in Texas, most of us homegrown products are what a lot of people would consider "rednecks". We take no offense to it. We call people from up where you'll are "silly yankees", but generally do it in gest and mean no harm. I take issue with the fact she basically took all southern folks and lumped them into one group - white power racist rednecks. That is FAR from accurate.

The problems I see with your Tea Parties are that:
1) They were organized like crap with no consensus. Every one of them that I saw had too many babbling quacks talking about things that had nothing to do with the "point", taxes.
2) They aren't the "grassroots" movements your beloved FNC wants to pitch they are. They're corporate sponsored. It'd be like the Dallas Cowboys taking down the Coca Cola sign at their stadium and trying to sell themselves as a semi pro team.

But, oddly enough, I agree with you on the whole Garofolo thing. Excuse me while I go check myself for high fever and hallucinations.... :)

Do you think maybe she was pulling an 'Ann Coulter' for the other side??

Doesn't make it right, and doesn't justify it, but I could totally see (and have seen) Coulter do the same type of thing. Plus I think she for some of it - especially the whole Bernie Goldberg thing - she was Jeanine the comedienne.

And just FYI - Bush didn't have the approval ratings Obama does now less than 100 days into his first term. (And Garafalo is currently on 24, which can hardly be regarded as a show put out by Hollywood liberals!)

According to Gallup...Obama's 1/4 average is 63% and Bush was at while it is a 5% isn't a huge difference for a "transcendent President" like all of the media talks about him.

So will you agree that Garafolo is no better than Ann Coulter? Is that what you're saying? You put Coulter and Garafolo in the same basket?

Maybe I dont get Garafolo's comedy...I didn't really crack a smile one time during her tirade. I guess I'm just a "dumb redneck" who obviously isn't as intellectual as her and her "kind".

Hey Diddy:

Both sides have their fringe d-bags.....

That's right, I said it!

But here I thought you liked Ms. Coulter, BDiddy...

I don't put them in the same basket, but what I'm saying is that what Garafolo said is no worse (nor better) than what comes out of Coulter's mouth. I like Garafolo a whole lot better than I like Coulter. Here's the difference: Coulter actually believes the stuff she says and is not known for her comedy. Garafolo is known as a comedienne first, political blowhard second.

5% is not within a poll's margin of error, my friend. But as we all know -- popularity shifts depending on how the political winds are blowing... I will say however that the 5% more Obama has on Bush is extraordinary considering the trouble he inherited, whereas Bush inherited prosperity from his predecessor's administration.

I didn't crack a smile at Garafolo's exchange either, but I can infer from the dialogue and her repeated references to Bernie that she was - at least at that point - trying to be funny.

Hey, maybe Garafolo is the uniting force we needed. Both the liberals and conservatives here seem to think she made an ass of herself. :)

And, John, the reason they were organized like crap with no consensus is that they were grassroots. Done at the local level, with issues that the local people thought were important. A lot of grassroots movements have some type of sponsorship to fund them. I admit that Fox News is a much larger sponsor than most, but that was because they wanted in on the action more than it was because they pushed the action.

Coulter isn't my favorite - and I certainly don't agree when she says things like "Jews are imperfected Christians".

So what you're saying is that Garafolo is spewing hatred but only in jest. So all of her comments are supposed to be taken as comical. However...all of Coulter's comments need to be taken as serious?

So you like Garafolo a whole better than you like that justifies what she said?

And I dont know why you're talking down to me on the 5%. I never said it was in the margin of error. But I did say it's only 5%. If a margin of error is 3%...that means Obama could only be 2% more favorable than Bush...and that's pretty darn close enough for me to say it's the same.

And no the 5% isn't more extrordinary. This was a guy who wasn't continually bashed in the media (like Bush was)...who had "record voter turnout" and who is continually talked about in a positive fashion...and he is about as favorable as a President who won the election by a handful of electoral votes.

I just don't understand why people are bashing these grassroots movements like they are? Is there nothing else Garafolo and Olbermann have to talk about? I guess since they can't criticize a President for the next 4 years...they have to bash something.

There are fringe people on all sides. I have Republican friends of mine who say some wacky things sometimes. But to go on national TV (albeit it a low rated show like Countdown) and say things like puts you in a whole new class of trashy.

cubbiechuck -

I have been involved with a lot of grassroots stuff (field events in 45 states, 70+ cities on a single day) and agree that there is a need for sponsorship to move them, but I disagree with your point that grassroots efforts are disorganized. It doesn't take much to craft a cohesive message that can be applied to the local level. The tea parties were pitched as events to protest taxes and spending (like the original Boston tea party). They evolved into something much different than that in many instances, from what I've seen reported. Grassroots doesn't necessarily equal disorganized. And I'm sorry, but I don't buy that Fox News just wanted in on the action. They pushed it as hard as anyone...

I wouldn't bash the grassroots movement if that was what it was. If they had to earn their media like everyone else, rather than having "fair and balanced" Fox News cover it for the whole freakin' day, then rock on. But this was a corporate media effort dressed up to look like a grassroots movement. Not the same thing.

We can go back and forth on the 5% difference thing, but the reality is that Bush wasn't bashed in the media prior to becoming President. That came a bit later. He was the media darling compared to Al Gore. The guy you wanted to have a beer with.

Probably because it certainly didn't seem like a grassroots movement. Fox soaked it up far too much and thus it looks like a corporate sponsor. Then you have all the Republicans hitching their wagon to it and Freedom Watch. Fox really needed to let it be the grassroots movement is was originally intended to be. Also letting all the right wing fringe put up their birther signs and racists signs certainly didn't help.

When Join the Impact hosted their Nationwide grassroots protest they did a fairly decent job of controlling the message.

The math geek in me is coming out. If the margin of error is 3%, then 5% is within the margin of error (Bush 55-61, Obama 60-66). While that means that they could be pretty even, it also means that Obama could be much farther ahead of Bush.

I'm not talking down to you in any way, Diddy. Now you're trying to put words in my mouth that I didn't say. I'm not justifying what Garafolo said. I'm saying that she's a comedian/comedienne and its evident from the transcript that at least part way through she's attempting to infuse humor in there somewhere. (Is there a video clip of her appearance that might make this clearer? Haven't gone so far as to check as of yet.) That humor may be lost on me, and lost on the rest of us (sometimes people say things that just aren't funny). But at least her one claim to fame isn't just divisive rhetoric like Coulter. Why she is employing it now is beyond me.

As for the poll numbers - That's taking into account that the margin is 3% in Bush's favor and 3% not in Obama's favor. The probability of that exact scenario is quite low, so thats why I made the statement that it is outside the margin of error. Statistically speaking, there is a slight chance that the margin of error would close the gap, as cubbie illustrates, but again it is slight.

You stated in your post that Bush and Obama's ratings were the same. I was simply illustrating that you were taking liberties in saying that they were the same, when there was in fact a somewhat statistically significant difference. Your latest explanation fails to take into account that Obama's ratings are also subject to a margin of error as well. 'Tis all.

The reason this grass roots movement isn't being taken seriously by anyone in the media outside of Faux is because none of these people said anything while Bush over spent and ran up our deficit.

It's hypocritical to bash Obama for his actions 2 months into his presidency and not bash Bush. You COULD bash government as a whole and not make it about Obama or Bush (which would be a valid argument), but that's not what these tea baggers are doing. They're bashing Obama and only Obama.

Iowan - that's just not true.

Glenn Beck himself even bashed Republicans. Rush Limbaugh talked about the possible rise of a 3rd party.

This isn't a Republican's a conservative thing. This goes beyond party lines, it's conservatives not admitting that their blind faith in Bush for 8 years lead us into this mess. A mess they are now claiming they are so upset about because Obama caused it because he's a Socialist for raising taxes on the rich to the level they were during the 90's.


What does the reference tea bagging mean?

I'm so disappointed in the level of discourse allowed on these so-called news channels. It's revolting. Here is my full response to this:

How is it NOT racist to vote for a man solely because he's half-black? Isn't the definition of racism the belief that race is the primary determinant of a human's capacity?

I get it: Black America has the right to mindlessly vote against a white female in the primaries and a white male in the general election, but Heaven forbid white people vote against a black JUNIOR senator.

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